tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4005385846479781113.post2246568554978806294..comments2024-03-04T12:34:21.190-05:00Comments on Toronto Sun Family: 1971 - 2021: Student requestToronto Sun Familyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05371905107394425335noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4005385846479781113.post-9598661985710219662009-05-05T22:13:00.000-04:002009-05-05T22:13:00.000-04:00You want me to say that laying off somebody who's ...You want me to say that laying off somebody who's been at a newspaper a couple of years at the expense of somebody who's been there 15 years is a crying injustice?<br />Ahhh, now we're getting to it. It would be better if they could cut loose fortysomethings with families to support, who'd put in decades honing their craft, to be replaced by twentysomethings who maybe don't know the ropes yet, Jim Slotekhttp://canoe.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4005385846479781113.post-23046002811814743802009-05-05T17:13:00.000-04:002009-05-05T17:13:00.000-04:00The original issue was which demographic has been ...The original issue was which demographic has been most affected by the layoffs. You simply can't deny that bargaining agreements dictated some of the outcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4005385846479781113.post-58432665192077856912009-05-04T21:18:00.000-04:002009-05-04T21:18:00.000-04:00You still didn't back up what you said. So we've g...You still didn't back up what you said. So we've got an anonymouse saying things like "in many cases" and "most of the time," without specifics. And from exchanging emails with Ms Horne, sadly, it sounds like she may be leaning toward the dodgy journalistic practice of quoting anonymous sources. It's bizarro-world thinking that people who take anti-union positions are somehow brave and need to Jim Slotekhttp://canoe.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4005385846479781113.post-55572986157346002592009-05-04T15:35:00.000-04:002009-05-04T15:35:00.000-04:00As stated "in many cases" may not have included th...As stated "in many cases" may not have included the Toronto Sun. No personal agenda, just pure observation in 4 union shops...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4005385846479781113.post-18637217090625780242009-05-03T15:51:00.000-04:002009-05-03T15:51:00.000-04:00Can Anonymous explain what s/he meant? Do I take i...Can Anonymous explain what s/he meant? Do I take it that the writer was a young journalist at the bottom of the seniority list? Or is there an agenda here?<br />In Toronto, we managed to save all of our young writers who were full-time and on the December cull list because of buyouts by staff. Unfortunately, the part-timers and contracts were laid-off<br />Please remember this: It's not the unionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4005385846479781113.post-58321940783244981942009-05-01T07:50:00.000-04:002009-05-01T07:50:00.000-04:00WTF? Half the younger people who were laid off at ...WTF? Half the younger people who were laid off at the Toronto Sun the last round got their jobs back because of contract language that said anybody taking buyouts (and there were a surprising number of those) saved a job. <br />That wasn't in play at non-union shops. There they just pick people off like skeet, accept the buyouts and carry on with the layoffs.<br />What reflexive propaganda-fueledJim Slotekhttp://canoe.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4005385846479781113.post-26419246902408116192009-04-30T15:09:00.000-04:002009-04-30T15:09:00.000-04:00Ensure you also include whether they were union or...Ensure you also include whether they were union or not which had a huge effect on who stayed and who went in many cases...unfortunately most of the time the effect was negative when unionized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com